Subject: Re: Newbe ques - DSL/PPPoE workaround needed
To: bmurtari_at_thomcastcom_dot_com (Brian Murtari)
Date sent: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 20:32:25 -0600 (CST)
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From: Darren Besler <gnatbox_at_beehive.mb_dot_ca>
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> Brian Murtari wrote:
> > From: Brian Murtari <bmurtari_at_thomcastcom_dot_com>
> > To: "'jvitiel_at_bellatlantic_dot_net'" <jvitiel_at_bellatlantic_dot_net>
> > Cc: gb-users_at_gta_dot_com
> > Subject: RE: Newbe ques - DSL/PPPoE workaround needed
> > Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 20:20:23 -0500
> >
> > John,
> >
> > I will tell you same as I was told by GTA. GNATBox (Pro or Lite) does not
> > currently support PPPoE. There are future plans (there is not a release
> > date) to support PPPoE. I think the current problem is how do you squeeze
> > ten pounds of shit into a five pound bag (oh those "floppy" blues). Even if
> > you get all the settings in place I believe it will still not work.
> >
> > What I am using in the mean time is a Linksys product...
> > http://www.linksys.com/scripts/features.asp?part=BEFSR41
> > The PPPoE code is in beta but it seems to be working well with both DHCP and
> > PPPoE. But it does not have or have immediate future plans for VPN.
> >
> > I Need VPN, DHCP, DNS, AND PPPoE all in one cheap box, whoever builds it
> > will be my GOD!
> >
> > Brian Murtari
>
Linksys makes a 4-port hub +dsl/cable router (called EtherFast) for
under $200 and the vendor just released PPPoE code for it. This is
discussed in comp.dcom.xdsl.
Can I put the Linksys router in front of the GNATbox to handle
PPPoE ? I understand this is an ugly hack and costs a few bucks
but if it works as an interim work around I might do it.
> PPPoE is probably a bad idea in the big picture. The concept of IP connectivity
> and the general flexibility and openness that IP connectivity provides is
> lost when PPPoE is deployed. The issue of ADSL tunneling, etc is something
> the providers/ADSL modems should have addressed inside the ADSL modem and not
> in the clients workstation.
>
> It appears that PPPoE has found itself as an adopted technology. Users have
> to complain to their providers advising of the displeasure of having to
> deploy this software to their desktops to achieve connectivity. I express
> my displeasure by advising people to get a cable modem before they get ADSL.
>
> Firewalls are a fact of life now adays. People need to protect themselves
> and PPPoE's requirement to install on the client does not allow a firewall
> layer to be added between the client and the Internet.
>
> Hats off to GTA for going out on a limb and making a first class firewall
> like GNATbox "free" for the typical end user sitting on the end of a dedicated
> connection that needs to be secured from the "evils" of the Internet. Forcing
> firewall companies, like GTA, to have to add this layer of support to their
> products forces them to direct efforts away from the real technologies that
> they are good at.
>
> --
> Darren Besler
> Beehive Enterprises
> Email: dbesler_at_beehive.mb_dot_ca
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